tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post3147199433286406187..comments2023-10-29T10:42:52.369-04:00Comments on Love is not a triangle: This Shattered World Blog Tour + Giveaway Author discussion: Gender in Science FictionLauren @ Love is not a trianglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-12035616771890190062015-01-02T14:44:22.317-05:002015-01-02T14:44:22.317-05:00I am surprised that in an essay about gender in sc...I am surprised that in an essay about gender in sci-fi that there is no mention of Octavia Butler! She is a phenomenal writer and addresses not just gender, but race, class, and sexuality as well. You cannot have a discussion of "feminism" without thinking about those (and more). I do appreciate that the authors were very conscious of pronouns in This Shattered World though. Too often it is easy to assume a male voice. Stacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02078891198305465546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-85863804473714147662014-12-29T17:32:35.301-05:002014-12-29T17:32:35.301-05:00The general treatment of women as equals here is s...The general treatment of women as equals here is so refreshing. Even Lilac in TBS wasn't a stereotype - she was a strong woman with strong opinions that fought to be taken seriously. What I love most here in TSW is the fact that Lee never has to sacrifice her more feminine qualities for the sake of being a soldier/badass. Anytime women are portrayed fairly (and the whole language of the thing gets equalled out) the playing field is evened - and that's always a good thing. And the diversity here is also wonderful - a woman of colour and an Irish guy? Thank you Meagan and Amie for not excluding those of European descent for the sake of a broader cultural scope. It's all here. Brilliant!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14907927065378243188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-17120582322559681392014-12-22T20:20:49.477-05:002014-12-22T20:20:49.477-05:00Another 'yes' for the gender neutral singu...Another 'yes' for the gender neutral singular of 'they'. It was actually common to use 'they' as a singular until 1848 when it was basically decided that using 'he' if the gender was unknown would be the correct choice. Obviously this is problematic. I use 'they' whenever gender is unknown when I am writing, and I also use it in conversation, when I feel that gender is not relevant to the situation. Language evolution! Or revolution, in this case, as we roll back to an older accepted form. <br /><br />I'm really excited to read this series!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130204004424291028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-83744823872455392572014-12-22T16:27:13.533-05:002014-12-22T16:27:13.533-05:00I LOVE that they stuck with a gender neutral "...I LOVE that they stuck with a gender neutral "they" instead of changing it to "he" because they were more dedicated to gender neutrality than grammatical correctness! Great choice!<br /><br />Nicole @ <a href="http://feedyourfictionaddiction.com" rel="nofollow">Feed Your Fiction Addiction</a>Nicole @ Feed Your Fiction Addictionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637114079800138680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-32765221619282861322014-12-22T14:52:21.663-05:002014-12-22T14:52:21.663-05:00This post is so interesting to me! I love the part...This post is so interesting to me! I love the part about changing the word and sacrificing grammar for gender neutrality. I saw one of these authors at the Girls Gone Sci Fi event in Asheville NC, which was an event that was very supportive of things like this. I checked the audiobook for the first book out this summer so I could give it a listen while I was moving - I ended up not making it very far into the book because I was ENJOYING it so much and I wanted to sit and pay attention to the book more than I was able to while I was packing and getting ready to move (I'm rereading a ton of those books from that time of 2014). Excited that I'll be able to go straight into the second book now that it's already published. (:Asheley T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03908795522290889438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-29859507366602144402014-12-22T14:39:27.189-05:002014-12-22T14:39:27.189-05:00Aw, I love love love this blog tour post. <3 Si...Aw, I love love love this blog tour post. <3 Sigh. Just so so awesome. Amie and Meagan are all kinds of awesome :) I just loved This Shattered World SO MUCH. <3 And I'm so happy that you did too Lauren :) Now I'm just waiting and waiting for book three, lol. <3 Thank you all so much for sharing this gorgeous post :)Carina Olsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962924929801205597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-70689962655098687762014-12-22T12:55:25.446-05:002014-12-22T12:55:25.446-05:00I love reading books where stereotypes are thrown ...I love reading books where stereotypes are thrown out the window. i loved when Lilac showed what she could do and I know Jubilee won't be any different. I think it's important for authors, especially YA authors, to show young girls that they don't have to be put in a category, that they can do whatever they set their minds to. This was a great read and I hope everyone reads it!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02061312046788732515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-72919264906148147152014-12-22T10:36:40.539-05:002014-12-22T10:36:40.539-05:00As a woman engineer, I am ALL FOR Lilac's inte...As a woman engineer, I am ALL FOR Lilac's interest and skill with electronics and whatnot. Fabulous post, ladies!<br /><br />Alyssa @ <a href="http://eaterofbooks.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Eater of Books!</a>Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128004483437247740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-56108988704448273272014-12-21T19:21:20.144-05:002014-12-21T19:21:20.144-05:00I think the authors must have put so forethought i...I think the authors must have put so forethought into making the characters so dynamic and diverse!<br />Mary G LokiSayomayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00551711923633125829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-13190833362248028902014-12-21T18:53:40.701-05:002014-12-21T18:53:40.701-05:00I just have to say that I very much noticed the ge...I just have to say that I very much noticed the gender neutral pronouns and swapped roles and LOVED IT SO MUCH! As a woman in computer science where it is assumed that coders are guys, it was awesome to think about a future where that is no longer the case. As far as whether they should be used for one person, they'll have to accept it as a new grammar rule if we just keep using it ;-). What it comes down to is that we need a true gender neutral pronoun and the only way to get that is to make it and use it and not let anyone stop us :DAnya @ On Starships and Dragonwingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966260114472122150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-43733980946156092072014-12-21T07:48:34.874-05:002014-12-21T07:48:34.874-05:00Wishlist wishlist wishlist!!! I've read so man...Wishlist wishlist wishlist!!! I've read so many positives for this book. I really dislike the whole "don't send a woman to do a man's job" phrase, and vice versa. It's so great that gender equality is getting better as the years progress. I love diversity in characters that I'm reading about. Being awoman of color, I stress about equality and diversity in books, not just real life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-42533286140337822492014-12-19T21:31:14.826-05:002014-12-19T21:31:14.826-05:00Ahh, but if you visit the first tour post, you'...Ahh, but if you visit the first tour post, you'll also see awesome animated quotes from the book on Monday--17 blogs in all! So you'll get a little bit more material to get you excited about its release on Tuesday. :)<br /><br />Lauren, thanks so much for being part of the tour!<br /><br /><br />Wendy @ <a href="http://www.themidnightgarden.net" rel="nofollow">The Midnight Garden</a>Wendy Darlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13471461156849725177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-22893652522712217392014-12-19T18:19:29.155-05:002014-12-19T18:19:29.155-05:00I LOVED These Broken Stars (in fact, I reviewed it...I LOVED These Broken Stars (in fact, I reviewed it on my blog today) and part of that was the surprise subversive subtleties (like Lilac's engineering skills and passion for it). I'm so, so glad to hear that this was a deliberate, planned detail in their writing. Suffice to say, authors who think, communicate, and analyze these social issues (and affect change through their writing) as basically my favorites for life.Beth Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01898921671895123053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-25652716367781192382014-12-19T16:39:43.795-05:002014-12-19T16:39:43.795-05:00I hope you love it!I hope you love it!Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-13174932288960539762014-12-19T16:02:59.065-05:002014-12-19T16:02:59.065-05:00Excited for this next book!Excited for this next book!magan baganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605704234228186012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-14246079410954533062014-12-19T12:37:37.169-05:002014-12-19T12:37:37.169-05:00YES to all of this. So much of those intentional d...YES to all of this. So much of those intentional details, I didn't even realize. They've crafted their world so naturally. And what a thoughtful point about YA today. Even the nature of this story structure is different in how it approaches gender. I love that these authors did this with not only their main characters, but the minor ones only mentioned in passing too. It's the entire world they've created. Thank you for your comment! Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-54776142693317760212014-12-19T12:33:17.006-05:002014-12-19T12:33:17.006-05:00You must read these ASAP! The story is so good. Pl...You must read these ASAP! The story is so good. Plus the amazing world building and characters the authors created. I hope you love the series!Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-50941011621346383522014-12-19T12:05:23.971-05:002014-12-19T12:05:23.971-05:00I STILL have not gotten to the first one, but this...I STILL have not gotten to the first one, but this discussion of gender in Sci-Fi really makes me want to start it. Also, Jubilee is a woman of color, yes diversity!Deanna Reads Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01823538052624209201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-89830823209590485802014-12-19T11:44:18.082-05:002014-12-19T11:44:18.082-05:00It is really interesting how Amie and Meagan took ...It is really interesting how Amie and Meagan took such care with the small (but also big) details like that tiny sentence. That kind of attention to detail is why their books come to life as you read, all of the small elements of the story adding up to create one amazing sci-fi world! <br />Their concept of gender equality is also very different from most YA books today; usually YA books are about girls proving themselves to society, or they're trying to break free of unfair societal bindings. Similar stories told over and over again, and some of them are really great, but Amie and Meagan took a different approach, and I think that choice has added a lot to the "Starbound" books!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-64632587141446525722014-12-19T11:42:28.580-05:002014-12-19T11:42:28.580-05:00Thanks for stopping by, dear! I must admit, I didn...Thanks for stopping by, dear! I must admit, I didn't even realize all this from the authors until I read the post. I'm so happy they shared it with us. Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-34366076187528748692014-12-19T11:41:40.900-05:002014-12-19T11:41:40.900-05:00Yes! So much I didn't even think about when re...Yes! So much I didn't even think about when reading the book. I love seeing all the intentional details the authors put into their story. Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-39009765790042005842014-12-19T11:40:33.991-05:002014-12-19T11:40:33.991-05:00I can't believe it's over either! This has...I can't believe it's over either! This has been a great tour. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by what Amie and Meg did with the characters. But we might not expect badass soldier Lee to be a girl or Flynn the pacifist to be a boy. There's even a funny scene where Lilac realizes Lee is a girl. Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-46625407586027600612014-12-19T11:35:49.486-05:002014-12-19T11:35:49.486-05:00I know! I didn't realize the small things like...I know! I didn't realize the small things like pronouns that the authors altered. Subtle things that we all do pretty unconsciously, unfortunately. It is so fun to see all the background work and intention they put into their story. It makes me appreciate it all more!Lauren @ Love is not a trianglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388832613855107816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-36848177353490237612014-12-19T11:06:49.609-05:002014-12-19T11:06:49.609-05:00This is quite possibly my favourite post for the b...This is quite possibly my favourite post for the blog tour. Kuddos to both Amie and Meg for being so amazing and not only writing this amazing piece, but for tackling issues like discrimination head on through their books by showing that in the world they created, humanity has moved past the petty issues. Thanks for sharing Lauren!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652084782125897918.post-8223321793124067482014-12-19T09:20:50.263-05:002014-12-19T09:20:50.263-05:00Oh wow, that's so interesting about they "...Oh wow, that's so interesting about they "They' "to "He"! Crazy how many things you don't notice until you look into it.... I love this series so much and all the gender neutrality :) Elliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17213406441675013527noreply@blogger.com